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Art ratings? 
17th-Aug-2005 07:15 pm
Owl totem
A question - particularly for my fellow artists, but I'm interested to hear everybody's opinion.

The ratings that are gernerally ascribed to fanfiction - G through to NC17 - do you think the same standards should apply to art? Or should they be higher because it is a visual medium?

I ask because the picture in my icon - the full version of which you can see here - Passionate Ron/Hermione, was just labelled NC17 in a forum and, I'm sorry, but I would never have classed that pic NC17. Yes, it's suggestive, but that's it. There is no cock to be seen, no sexual act in progress, not even a breast.

Personally, I'd have rated it M (15+), just to be on the safe side. Am I too liberal? I mean, my kids have all seen this, and they range in age from 15 down to just-turned-9. They weren't horrified or traumatised by it. And, to counterpoint, none of them have seen the 'quickie' slash drawing I did for shocolate the other day, because I know that would squick them, and that one I do regard as NC17.

So what's the consensus? Would you rate this painting NC17?

And, out of interest, what would you rate this one while we're at it?
Comments 
17th-Aug-2005 09:49 pm (UTC)
Hi, Leela, Long time lurker (for you)& CM Council Member.

Yeah, I can see how you would be surprised by the rating for what a lot of us call the "Bodice Ripper" (a fav of mine, btw)

Basically, Kelly is right. All the forums have been dealing with having to take a good hard look at how we house 'adult' content. What we learned in our research for CM, is that the rules in the US state that general access forums have to be suitable for 13years old. The trouble lies in the fact that the rules differ from country to country, and since CM has a multinational set of mods, we have to take a 'most restrictive' stance to protect ourselves.

Still, it's art, and therefore subjective. I hate having to quanitify and objectify the piece to begin with.
17th-Aug-2005 10:33 pm (UTC)
Thanks texasmagic. I have no problems at all with Checkmated deciding what should be classed as Restricted; it's your/their website, not mine, and I'm more than happy to abide by the rules. It's just that I was under the impression that everything in the Restricted section or Bedchamber was NC17. I know I have read fics there that have described ejaculation and oral sex that were rated R rather than NC17 and not in the Bedchamber. So you'll understand my surprise at, I thought, having my painting declared NC17. And wondering whether there were different rules for art and fic.

As you said, the pic is a 'bodice ripper'. That was the challenge it was drawn for - to emulate the Mills&Boon style covers. Books (and bodic-ripper cover illustrations) which are available eveywhere (at child height in the shops here!).

18th-Aug-2005 07:00 pm (UTC)
Hee. Yes, you probably did read some very explicit R rated stories at CM. We've had to move a few stories to the BC recently because they began to cross the line in later chapters, and a few were very popular stories that caused quite a stir.

I wish we had an M rating in the US, because while I'm not sure I'd call that beautiful pic an R, it's definitely not suitable for 13 year olds.

We do have quite a set of contradictions, don't we? We'll put "Bodice Ripper" cover art on the grocery store shelves, and yet we argue that it's inappropriate to nurse a baby in public. GRRRR.

Alas, the laws for the interent are vague and inconsistent.

But most of all, I'm glad you share your work with us. It's truly beautiful.
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