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Pirates 3 
25th-May-2007 11:08 am
So, the kids and I went to see Pirates 3 last night...
...and came to the conclusion, while discussing it on the way home, that they should have let us write the story/script.  Or at least some fans.  We would have done a better job.  

Johnny Depp, of course, was devine.  And I found myself wanting them to hurry up and get to his character, so the first bit of the film was a bit boring.  And then we got a whole shipfull of him! His flirting with the goat had me thinking of Aberforth, and I think "Nobody move, I've dropped me brain" should be my new catchphrase as, so often of late, I have been feeling brainless.  ;~P

But... Norrington - WTF? The ending - WTF? Also, I loved the witchy woman in the last one (she was probably my favourite character), but did they have to make her a goddess? *disappointed sigh*

With Will being 'undead' so to speak, I guess this will mean he never ages, yes?  So who will he have to come back to after a few decades?  What a downer.  O.o  Romantic in that tragic sense, but not my cup of tea.

And another thing - didn't Elizabeth's father die cos he stabbed Davey Jones heart and had to give his own?  Or did I understand that all wrong? And if so, why didn't he become Captain over Jones?  *didn't really follow that part but really enjoyed the visuals*  :~) 

Also they ran the HP trailer before it, but it was the first trailer we saw a while ago - the really short one.  :~(  But it was nice seeing it on the big screen.  :~)
25th-May-2007 02:18 am (UTC)
Wants to read the spoilers >.> *resists resists resists*

was it better than 2??? Y/N

Omg *resists* *also, stabs west coast-ness*
25th-May-2007 02:25 am (UTC)
Well... let's just say this one made me like #2 more. ;~)
25th-May-2007 04:26 am (UTC)

(im sorry to spam u, im just soooo mad im not seeing it right now... why didnt jetblue delay my flight???)
25th-May-2007 03:02 am (UTC)
She's a Goddess? What? Will's a undead? What does that make him? A vampire?
25th-May-2007 03:19 am (UTC)
Yes, she is teh love of Davey Jones life - see, probably cos I didn't understand that in #2 is why I didn't like it in this one. And Will replaces Davey Jones as Captain. Which I thought really really sucked. Everyone else seemed to manage to come back to life - well, not everyone (Norrington!!), but most of the main players, certainly - I really thought he would too. :~(
25th-May-2007 03:26 am (UTC)
Ah - yeah, that was one of the things I didn't really get in the second one either. Of course once Squid face showed up I was so busy going WTF that I probably missed a few things. *snerk*

So, I'm guessing Will and Elizabeth don't end up together then?

Everyone coming back to life?

I'm thinking I WILL skip this and watch Chocolat ... :D Johnny's pretty hot in that.
25th-May-2007 03:28 am (UTC)
They do, sort of.
25th-May-2007 04:37 am (UTC)
So are they both undead then? Or something else?
25th-May-2007 06:48 am (UTC)
Will is whatever Davey Jones was (although without the barnacles). He is allowed one day on land every 10yrs. So he and Elizabeth get one day, and then he goes. After the credits you see their next day, 10yrs later. :~\
25th-May-2007 07:10 am (UTC)
YOU DO?? OMG. Darn my friends and their always wanting to leave before the credits finish!!! X[
25th-May-2007 08:00 am (UTC)
Oh, I ALWAYS stay for the credits. Usually just for the music, but also out of respect. Plus, I paid to see the film, so I will sit there and watch till the curtains close. Even if the lights are up and the cinema staff are in cleaning up. But I am anal like that. ;~P
25th-May-2007 05:40 pm (UTC)
I never really quite got what Davy Jones was. I was too distracted by the barnacles - they never really did explain that did they? Or ... huh ... am I thinking of someone else? Was Davy JOnes the squid man? Or was that another character? I just sat through that going 'why is he a squid man? Are we supposed to believe he's a squid man? No one even seems to ask how he got to be that way?' Cuz seriously? If I saw a squid man I'd be wondering what on earth happened ... LOL
28th-May-2007 07:54 pm (UTC)
Do you really want to be spoiled? :P
25th-May-2007 05:31 am (UTC)
They killed Norrington?! But I thought he was so much fun in 2. I thought he was one of the better aspects of 2! They didn't kill him at the beginning, though, did they? Did he at least get a little screen time?

I'm so bummed.
25th-May-2007 06:53 am (UTC)
I was flabberghasted how completely they dropped his storyline. Then it seemed they remembered him and thought 'uh oh - we better fix this!' and just killed him off!
26th-May-2007 02:55 am (UTC)
Did he at least get to die a good death? You don't have to go into details...just tell me it was, well, maybe somewhat worthwhile...?

I have read that the script wasn't finished when they began filming. I suppose the probably really did forget about him until the actor walked by or something.

26th-May-2007 04:31 am (UTC)
Well, he was 'redeemed' I guess, in that he died for the good guys. But, personally I thought it was a throwaway death. A real 'oh, crap! We better do something with him! Quick, kill him off!'

I have read that the script wasn't finished when they began filming
That's interesting to hear. I've heard of that happening on other movies. I don't know, maybe it's common, but I can't believe it could be good for the story.
26th-May-2007 04:35 am (UTC)
Hmm...I'll be interested in seeing this.

From what I'm hearing, it doesn't sound like it was too terribly good for the story.
25th-May-2007 03:28 am (UTC)
I didn't get the bit about Elizabeth's dad either. >.>
25th-May-2007 03:40 am (UTC)
They said that they had no need for him anymore at the beginning of the film; he was asking too many questions, so they decided to kill him. I think Governor Swann was just told that he was going to stab the heart so he would get on the boat, that way Beckett's henchman could kill him. If Swann had stabbed the heart, then he could have become captain of the Dutchman. Beckett's crew kept the heart so they could control Davy Jones though. Governor Swann was just recalling the last thing he was told before he was killed, I think.
25th-May-2007 03:58 am (UTC)
”Nobody move, I’ve dropped me brain”

ROFLMAO!!! *tears of joy* OH honey I CAN NOT WAIT to meet you in Toronto this summer! We have got to paint the town red you and I. That should so be my catchphrase too.
26th-May-2007 04:37 am (UTC)
*hugs you silly* I can't wait either! :~D
26th-May-2007 04:57 am (UTC)
*squeals with joy* :o)) Is it wired that I feel as giddy as a 6 year old in a candy shop about this trip?

I am so using “Nobody move, I’ve dropped me brain” as my catchphrase. These past few days, not only do I feel like I’ve dropped it, but that someone kicked it out the door and bounced it down the street.
25th-May-2007 06:39 am (UTC)
I am going to buy the DVD and extract just the Johnny Depp bits!!!
25th-May-2007 07:07 am (UTC)
I liked it, but I totally agree with you on those parts! I mean, does this mean she only gets to see him for one day every 10 years??? <:( And like, if she lives to be even 50, that's only 5 days!! But, yeah, Jack was awesome! MY PEANUT!! All that heart-stabbing, undead-captaining stuff was a little too hard to follow. I was/am still confused about it all! LOL!
25th-May-2007 08:03 am (UTC)
Yep, once every 10yrs. After the credits, she is waiting - with their 10yo son. O.o
25th-May-2007 06:24 pm (UTC)
Oh, finally! So I'm not the only one who didn't like the plot? 'Cause it seems all the people in net think it's the best part out of 3. I personally found the film predictable. The instance I heard of Calipso it was obvious, that Tia Dalma is the said goddess. From the moment it was said that the one who kills Davy Jones will become a captain himself, I knew - Will will turn out to be the captain. And a lot of other things.
I mean honestly, the fans would have made the better job!
The bittersweet ending... yes, not my cup of tea either. Why Will didn't turn into something ugly? Why did the crew instead turn into normal people again?
Johnny Depp, of course, as usual, no comments... How does he manage to play the same role for three movies and not make it boring or ridiculous? I liked his rivalry with Barbossa 'Who's got the longest..telescope?' very much.

I liked it how the director made references to the first film: Jack's appearance on the ship's mast, the soldiers who are left to guard, but not invited to the party, 'thank you, Jack', etc...
25th-May-2007 09:28 pm (UTC)
sorry to randomly pop in, but I hope to answer a question of yours (that other people seem confused about as well)

Davy Jones wasn't originally SquidMan when he became captain of the Flying Dutchman. As they were sailing past all the dead people, Tia Dalma explained that it was supposed to be Davy's job to ferry those killed at sea to the land of the dead. When Davy stopped doing this job (I'm assuming out of anger towards Calipso), he "became a monster" both literally and figuratively. Hence the SquidMan. When Will becomes captain, he returns the Flying Dutchman to its original purpose of ferrying dead people, therefore he retains his human shape and the rest of the crew regains theirs.

Hoped this helped explain some things :)
26th-May-2007 12:07 am (UTC)
I saw it at the 8:00 showing on Thursday night...and I thought it was horrible. Even Johnny Depp's not-inconsiderable charm could keep it afloat, and what a waste of Geoffrey Rush, to bring him back at the end of the second movie only to just drop him in the middle of this mess.

As for the suggestion that fans would've done a better job writing it, I disagree. Having observed many different fandoms, either as a fan myself or a neutral observer, I've drawn the conclusion that letting fans shape the story is always a bad idea, in no small part because of the wide diversity in opinions and beliefs. If you listen to this group of fans, then what they want to see is what gets portrayed, at the expense of that group of fans. OK, so you may try to even things out by listening to that group of fans while shaping the next chapter...only to find that there is a third group of fans....and a fourth...and a fifth...ad infinitum.

IMO this movie suffered from creative exhaustion and the baffling decision to make it stretch out to three hours. It also lacked any coherent narrative, and simply relied on various battle scenes to try and keep the audience distracted.
26th-May-2007 12:08 am (UTC)
Sorry about the double post, Kate...you can delete the Anonymous one if you want.
26th-May-2007 05:23 am (UTC)
Yeah! Why did Barbosa come back to life?? That was something else that wasn't explained. Not that I can recall anyway.

As for the fan thing, yes, some would write drivel, but would it be worse than what we got? I can't help thinking of the Superman movie, and wondering what that would have been like had they left it in fanboy Kevin Smith's hands. Personally, I love Kevin Smith's films. Joss Whedon of Buffy fame is another fanboy who's work I really enjoy. Hell, when you get down to it, Spielberg and Lucas were fanboys, and look at the fantastic stuff they've given us!
26th-May-2007 01:53 am (UTC) - Elizabeth's Dad
They just killed him...the scene where they come in and aim guns at the heart I think they are just gaurding the heart....
5th-Jun-2007 07:06 am (UTC)
Will isn't going to becoming back several decades. He simply had to serve one decade and as long as Elizabeth was there when he got back, things were hunkydory >_>

Twenty minutes were removed, not including end credits, though producer Jerry Bruckheimer maintained that the long running time was needed to make the final battle work in terms of build-up.[18] One scene cut explained that if Calypso had greeted Davy Jones after his ten years of ferrying dead souls, then he would have been freed of his duty: in turn, Will is freed of his captaincy as Elizabeth remains faithful to him ten years later.

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